we going to go into iraq. because there's a lot of pressure. gore's resisting it. who's the vice president? joe lieberman. there's no one more hawkish about iraq back then than lieberman. so you have an interesting, i hope, political debate. from does he actually win re-election or do we have to read the book? >> of course you have to read the book. i will only say that i think -- i leave it on a cliffhanger. so maybe i can do another. >> everything happens for a reason. would there have been a barack obama -- >> first, i think everything doesn't happen for a reason. mere fate governs. you want to hear god laugh? make a plan. i do think -- i didn't take it that far. but i do think that the barack obama presidential race was conditioned on a profound disaffection with politics as usual which hurt not just the republicans but hillary clinton. so you -- whatever 2008 produced in my alternate universe, you would have had to have had an appetite for something really different and new so that the normal options -- >